tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post706420418554095047..comments2024-03-01T11:52:44.729-05:00Comments on Bat in the Attic: Fantasy Medieval Style Law. Part 2Robert Conleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03863009007381185340noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-36604953174894979112019-08-10T13:15:40.059-04:002019-08-10T13:15:40.059-04:00Cool thanks! I'll look into those.Cool thanks! I'll look into those.PatrickWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02083947433803227063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-40312614044134376192019-08-05T13:09:42.622-04:002019-08-05T13:09:42.622-04:00Broadly yes but the specifics would have changed w...Broadly yes but the specifics would have changed with the times.<br /><br />I would look at the Time Travellers guide series by Ian Mortimer on Amazon.<br /><br />https://www.amazon.com/s?k=time+travellers+guide&ref=nb_sb_noss_1<br /><br />There is one for Restoration Britain from 1660 to 1699.<br />https://www.amazon.com/Time-Travelers-Guide-Restoration-Britain-ebook/dp/B01K5J6WR0/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=time+travellers+guide&qid=1565024873&s=gateway&sr=8-4Robert Conleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03863009007381185340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-11851212858054032052019-08-04T12:08:15.890-04:002019-08-04T12:08:15.890-04:00Nice! Excellent illustration of the law in action...Nice! Excellent illustration of the law in action. Would something similar extend to the early Renaissance, say 1650s? If not, any recommended reading? I'd like to add a bit more structure to my Holy Roman Empire game. PatrickWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02083947433803227063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-21799551171876452732019-08-01T13:05:35.098-04:002019-08-01T13:05:35.098-04:00@Charles, you pretty much nailed it. Nice touch wi...@Charles, you pretty much nailed it. Nice touch with Corbin's player chiming in.Robert Conleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03863009007381185340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-89213784204427935032019-08-01T12:31:25.993-04:002019-08-01T12:31:25.993-04:00So, I gather the table conversation goes like this...So, I gather the table conversation goes like this:<br /><br />Sigurt: Twerp should know better than to keep trying to hit me. Socking him in the Face. (rolls) Got a 4, baby! Crit! Can't Dodge this! (rolls) That's 7 points of crushing to the Face.<br /><br />GM: (rolls) Oh, triple damage. He's now full negative. (rolls again) Oh dear ... that wasn't a good HT roll for him at all. He falls down, his nose caved-in. The whole bar goes into a hush.<br /><br />Corbin: Let's go. I give the barkeep 50 gold. Hopefully that will keep things silent enough until we can get out to the Barradine Ruins.<br /><br />GM: So, is there any other business for tonight?<br /><br />Corbin: Lado's shop still open?<br /><br />GM: Lado said he was going to bed, remember?<br /><br />Corbin: Oh, yeah, right. Guess we'll do the same and hit him up for supplies tomorrow.<br /><br />GM: OK, next morning. Whatcha doing?<br /><br />Thil: Guess we go see Lado. Should Sigurt come with for backup?<br /><br />Sigurt: Sure. Ain't nobody gonna mess with me now.<br /><br />GM: (rolls Observation for the PCs, noting failure) OK, Lado lets you in. What do you want to buy?<br /><br />Thil: We need more rations since Sigurt is defaulting on Survival in Plains.<br /><br />Corbin: Get a pick axe.<br /><br />GM: You're not there!<br /><br />Corbin: Well, I would have told him to get a pick axe.<br /><br />Thil: Yeah, a pick axe and a shovel. Anything else?<br /><br />GM: Regardless of whether or not you guys hashed this out beforehand, a city guardsman, a young man, and a bunch of goons show up. "Sigurt the Northeron?"<br /><br />Sigurt: "Yes, little man?"<br /><br />GM: "You are under arrest for the murder of Michael Greene."<br /><br />This pretty much what happens in the interim time?Charles Saegerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00368131505593336249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-21211035397820090752019-08-01T11:40:48.531-04:002019-08-01T11:40:48.531-04:00@Charles good questions, one thing I do is feed th...@Charles good questions, one thing I do is feed the overall picture of how it works at the start of the campaign and in the early part. Perhaps when they were first level they were hired to be part of a posse for an afternoon. <br /><br />Or while shopping they ran across this situation.<br /><br />You pass a Chandler shop with a dozen people outside with clubs and several town guards keeping an eye out at the fringe. You see a leader type that obviously not a guard or officel walk up to the door and pound on it, shouting "Merle Redson, you are under arrest, come out or we are knocking down this door." <br /><br />If the party speaks with the crowd they find that Merle Redson is wanted for assault from a bar fight that left the leader's brother with a broken arm and leg. If they talk with the guards, they act bored and say they are there to make sure the posse doesn't get out of hand.<br /><br />The general principle you try to show not tell and do it with a light touch until the players have an understanding of how things work.<br /><br />What my players have done with what they know is one of several things. 1) They immediately gather their things and leave town. 2) They have a patron or ally and go to that person and ask them to help them with the situation. 3) They go to the Greenes and offer restitution.<br /><br />If the situation I wrote about did happen and the players were aware of how the law worked it was because the players misjudged the social status of the individual that was killed. While unjust by our standard, there are people who don't have any connections and thus doesn't have anybody to stand up for them. <br /><br />As a rule the innkeeper doesn't want mayham on his premise. But if the party is able to smooth thing out with the business owner, they will get away with murder. Players are often aware of this and adopt a 'oh well' attitude if somebody provokes them. Only worrying if the NPC has some kind of status. <br /><br />Hope that helps.<br />Robert Conleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03863009007381185340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-18666465898916800702019-08-01T08:27:18.773-04:002019-08-01T08:27:18.773-04:001) This is utterly fascinating and has inspired me...1) This is utterly fascinating and has inspired me to buy Hârn Law and detail my own fantasy world legal system.<br />2) How would this look in play? You have a lot of background events involving NPCs. At the table, the fight will happen, critical rolled, hushed reaction, PCs leave. GM asks if they go to bed and yes, then they plan the next morning. They go to the chandler, then the arrest. They don’t see all the stuff that happened with rounding up the posse and getting a writ. How do you handle this fast?Charles Saegerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00368131505593336249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-14231532888175591672019-08-01T00:05:31.331-04:002019-08-01T00:05:31.331-04:00Something not covered that much and definitely gam...Something not covered that much and definitely gameable, something I'll use. Which is about the highest praise OSR can give.Reasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09761229490262589438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-82925336548078074662019-07-31T14:37:26.322-04:002019-07-31T14:37:26.322-04:00Great posts, thanks! Certainly gives one more to ...Great posts, thanks! Certainly gives one more to use in game than the more usual fantasy tropes. (or murder hoboing) Lasgunpackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529298072677726064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-46820986776097847942019-07-31T10:47:53.299-04:002019-07-31T10:47:53.299-04:00Very helpful posts. Thanks.Very helpful posts. Thanks.Narmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08635665594860371230noreply@blogger.com