tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post3849324641878762875..comments2024-03-15T08:58:04.112-04:00Comments on Bat in the Attic: Thoughts on Warhammer FRPG 3rdRobert Conleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03863009007381185340noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-16078983920747213202009-11-12T19:10:19.645-05:002009-11-12T19:10:19.645-05:00Another point: it's $99 for a group of players...Another point: it's $99 for a group of players. To compare it with DnD you'd need to factor in how much a group of DnD'ers spend. In my group of four, everyone began with a Player's Handbook, and the DM had the DM Guide and Monster Manual. That's about $150 right there. So, the correct comparison is $99 vs. $150. If nothing else the prices are comparable.Melhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551480034601737297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-75664616956194408172009-11-12T12:35:37.723-05:002009-11-12T12:35:37.723-05:00My gaming group all agreed - we would have preferr...My gaming group all agreed - we would have preferred if they'd put everything you need to play 4e in a box (dice, minis, maps, books, cards) rather than leave you to hunt it all down on your own. It looks like WFRPG is going to do that, so for us it's more appealing.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13457050225967190052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-11357953814484304722009-11-12T12:33:33.896-05:002009-11-12T12:33:33.896-05:00"If you want to go the D&D 4th edition ro..."If you want to go the D&D 4th edition route don't make a $100 RPG."<br /><br />Because that's $10 more than D&D4e costs?<br /><br />A $10 difference between D&D and WFRP doesn't seem that big of a deal.Dyson Logoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14352404068239792475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-30478360187564871172009-11-12T03:57:18.890-05:002009-11-12T03:57:18.890-05:00On their website they do have dice packs for sale,...On their website they do have dice packs for sale, for what it's worth....besides, I'm still seeing the same shapes we've always played with (d6's, d8's, d10's)...just now there's certain colors meaning certain things. I bet there's a numerical conversion possible....Rev. Lazarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10302732664872068210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-3355644215300195092009-11-12T03:12:38.396-05:002009-11-12T03:12:38.396-05:00I agree with what people are generally posting her...I agree with what people are generally posting here and other places regarding 3E WHRP. Really though I'd like to echo what Korgoth said regarding proprietary dice. FFG is taking the RPG concept ... which has generally been: Players/GMs buy the books ... use generic dice ... and own their entertainment with that indefinitely. Now with the new FFG system ... players and GMs have to buy the books/game from FFG and must have the FFG dice as well to make it work. That might seem minor but what that does in one fell swoop is REQUIRE that people invest in the FFG product ... if not the rules then at least the dice. I see no initial release being announced of "player packs" where people can buy dice and just the player rules. So that means if I want to own my own dice ... even if I'm not going to GM ... I need to drop 100 bucks. I personally buy most of the core books for whatever system I'm playing ... with this type of system I'm thinking you'll see alot more GMs owning everything and the players not buying in. I honestly hope that this style of RPG doesn't catch on. I am a huge GW fanboy and I like alot of the FFG products ... but I don't like the concept of "collectible" RPGs :(The Lord of Excesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12844701226225155792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-51635723462800106722009-11-11T13:06:50.836-05:002009-11-11T13:06:50.836-05:00Yes but Fudge has alternate methods that produced ...Yes but Fudge has alternate methods that produced similar odds. In addition Fudge Dice are easy to produce from d6s. Each die has two face at -1, two at 0, and last two at +1. Not quite as complex as FFG is doing.Robert Conleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03863009007381185340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-39014298562953200572009-11-11T12:33:00.819-05:002009-11-11T12:33:00.819-05:00Didn't FUDGE use proprietary dice?Didn't FUDGE use proprietary dice?Rev. Lazarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10302732664872068210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-36041537163329658102009-11-11T11:33:19.578-05:002009-11-11T11:33:19.578-05:00I think the whole thing is nuts, myself. You have ...I think the whole thing is nuts, myself. You have to use proprietary *dice*!? You're supposed to buy an expansion to add extra players?<br /><br />Those are the kinds of things I would have included in an elaborate joke about the world's lamest RPG.<br /><br />This is going to flop. I won't be real broken up about it when it does, either.Korgothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04683370654357044679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-90342912875315008062009-11-11T11:30:45.449-05:002009-11-11T11:30:45.449-05:00A friend of mine who owns a bookcase full of earli...A friend of mine who owns a bookcase full of earlier WHFRP balked at cost and conversion issues. I think the giant dice pool per action is too much like DESCENT. Why not make DESCENT the RPG and save the license fee? Also, at the end of the video they imply that they are the only ones to challenge the "AAA-grade" of WotC books (cough).Lee Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698873084592329937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-52802060169823232542009-11-11T09:12:07.255-05:002009-11-11T09:12:07.255-05:00What I find interesting about this is that Fantasy...What I find interesting about this is that Fantasy Flight is coming at the RPG from a board game angle. That shouldn't be a surprise, because that has always been their strength, and they are known for really top-notch production values. Also, they've been testing out RPG-like mechanics within a boardgame for a while now (e.g., Descent, Arkham Horror, Android), and in some of their games they've even managed to provide a gamey experience, while avoiding a min-maxing experience. I don't know, I'm VERY excited about this, and I'm not even a War Hammer fan. Whether or not this game is a "true" RPG is beside the point. If it's fun, if it has high production values, if the mechanics work well they could have a hit on their hands. I also think that the price is pretty clever. It's enough so that players will have to choose one system (e.g., DnD) over another, but 99 bucks is not far removed from what many DnDers spend every few months on their hobby (between books, online subscriptions, minis, etc).Melhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551480034601737297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-610848900589329162009-11-11T08:51:57.881-05:002009-11-11T08:51:57.881-05:00Here's my coppers for what it's worth:
1...Here's my coppers for what it's worth: <br /><br />1)You're getting 4 rule books which appear to be decent "sourcebook" size. You're also getting the dice and accessories with it. Considering 4E at New costs more just to have the books and dice alone, it doesn't seem that bad. The problem is you have to invest in it at once.<br /><br />2)The other consideration is FFG and GW audiences. Warhammer in any caliber is known to be an expensive hobby; and to be honest, with the exception of used copies of 1st edition, getting into WHFRP was a bit of an investment to make it playable. FFG is also pretty much known for making quality products for an audience that is used to paying for it.<br /><br />Now, whether it plays worth a damn is to be determined ;)Rev. Lazarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10302732664872068210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5904133056957353312.post-25607818842586006722009-11-11T07:27:10.727-05:002009-11-11T07:27:10.727-05:00Think about how much Arkham Horror and it's ex...Think about how much Arkham Horror and it's expansions cost, or 4e with all the books, or even Dark Heresy. It's expensive to be sure but there is a market for games in that price range. Money aside it looks like it's doing some of the things my group said they wished WotC would have done with 4e. It's a very board gamey type of RPG (like Arkham Horror) but if you like that then this looks very intriguing.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13457050225967190052noreply@blogger.com